Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

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Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Denzera » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:13 am

Hey guys,

I did a bunch of searching on the forum and couldn't find a well-documented place for this, so I figured I'd do the research and write it up. Better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness, right? Here we go. Note: this whole post is kinda a spoiler, though it'll more just confuse you if you haven't gotten to the relevant part of the game.
Background & Basics
When you complete the Charwood-area quest, "Destined for great things", you rescue two of the townsfolk, Fayvara and Falothen, from the clutches of the goblins. To thank you, they offer to teach you new Skills called "Proficiencies" - Fayvara in armor, Falothen in weapons.

These new skills are part of the same skill list and menu that you spend Skill Points in, except they're "hidden" - this training is the only way you can gain these abilities. It's kinda like Ulirfendor's "Shadow Blessing" skill, in that you have to gain it through a quest. Unlike that one, however, once you've gained the first level in a proficiency, you can then spend additional skill points to level it up.

There are 6 Weapon proficiencies (dagger, 1H sword, 2H sword, axe, blunt, and unarmed), and 4 Armor proficiencies (shield, light armor, heavy armor, and "unarmored"). Each proficiency can be leveled to Lvl 3, except for Shield (lvl 2) and Heavy Armor (lvl 4).

Each NPC will teach you one level in one Proficiency as a thanks for rescuing them. They'll then offer to teach you the first level in another Proficiency if you bring them two Oegyth Crystals (there's 8 in the game), and 6000 GP (Fayvara) or 5000 GP (Falothen). So you could unlock up to 4 additional proficiencies, between the two NPCs, if you went out and gathered all the crystals. The additional teachings can't be used to level up an existing proficiency.

Affects & Effects
Pulled from the source code (here's the values, here's where they matter), here's what those abilities do.

Fayvara:
Shield (any): +1 Damage Resistance when equipping a shield (e.g. the Wooden Defender will now give you +2; you get no bonus if not wearing a shield).

Light Armor:
Affects: Anything in sizes 'Light' or 'Std', in all 4 types of armor (Head, Body, Feet, Hands - but not shields). For body armor, this includes categories Hide Armor, "Armor, leather" and "Armor (Light)".
Effects: For each light armor worn, +30% Block Chance to the base BC of that armor, rounded down. If a you're wearing Fine Snakeskin Gloves, +6% BC, then your bonus from that item is 6% * 30% = 2.4% => 2%.

Heavy Armor:
Affects: Anything in 'Size Large', in all 4 types of armor (Head, Body, Feet, Hands - but not shields). For body armor, this includes categories Splint Mail, Chain Mail, Plate Mail and the generic "Armor (Heavy)". This also includes Heavy Metal headgear, gloves and footwear.
Effects:
- For each heavy armor worn, +20% Block Chance to the base BC of that armor, rounded down.
- For each heavy armor worn, -25% to any Action Point penalties (for Move or Attack) imposed by that armor, rounded down. Because of the rounding, the only impact this has is if the player levels this skill up to Lvl 4 (by spending 3 more skill points) to fully eliminate the AP penalty of their armor. Or Lvl 2 with Stone Cuirass or Shadowstalker armors, to eliminate half of their 2 AP penalty.

Naked: +10% Block Chance to your player, if not wearing any armor (shields excluded) that has "weight". Item categories without weight include cloth armor, cloth headwear, cloth gloves, and (sounds like a poor idea) cloth footwear. Wear anything else, and you lose your 10% BC bonus.

Falothen:
Note that his proficiencies only affect weapons in your "main" weapon slot. Dual-wielders can, apparently, pound sand.

Affects: Only weapons belonging to the category of proficiency you have gained. This means:
Dagger: Anything in category "Dagger" or "Short Sword"
One-Handed Sword: Anything in categories "Longsword", "Broadsword" or "Rapier"
Two-Handed Sword: Only things categorized as "Two-Handed Sword"
Axe: Anything in "Axe" or "Greataxe" (2H Axe) categories
Blunt: Anything in categories of "Club", "Quarterstaff", "Mace", "Scepter", "Warhammer", or "Giant hammer" (2H Hammer)

Effects:
- +30% Attack Chance to the AC bonus from that weapon, rounded down. This means Balanced Steel Sword (+32% AC) gets a bonus of (32% * 30%) = 9.6% => 9%.
- +30% Block Chance to the BC bonus from that weapon (if any), rounded down.
- +10% Critical Skill to the Crit bonus from that weapon (if any), rounded down. So if your weapon has less than a +10 Crit bonus, this does exactly nothing for you (unless you level the skill up more). Dagger of the Shadow Priests would get a +2, a handful of +10 and +13 items (like Flagstone's Pride) would get a +1, and the rest get bupkes.

Unarmed:
Affects: fighting with no weapon or shield equipped.
Effects: +20% Attack Chance, +5% Block Chance, and +2 Damage.

Notes:
- An easy rule of thumb for the 30% bonuses is that the skill bonus goes up one point on "the 4s, the 7s, and the 10s" of your item's stat. So +13% is the same as +10% for these purposes (i.e., the bonus is +3 for both), and +19% is the same as 17% (i.e., +5).
- While the first (free) level of the Shield proficiency seems nice, spending another skill point on Lvl 2 seems silly when you could just level up Bark Skin for the same +1 DR bonus, and not have the wear-a-shield requirement.
- Note that additional bonuses from multiple skill levels in these proficiencies will get factored in before the impact to the player is rounded down. So Lvl 2 on a weapon that had a +5 Crit attribute would yield a +1 bonus, even when Lvl 1 yielded zilch.

edit: spoiler tag and disclaimer added to the top.
Last edited by rijackson741 on Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:56 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: This is the best write up of these skills, so I made it sticky. I also added spoiler tags.

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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen

Post by Duvalon » Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:12 pm

Great info! I would suggest at least putting a spoiler warning, maybe even the whole thing in spoiler tags.

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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen

Post by Zukero » Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:36 pm

Great write-up, and good job analyzing the source code.
Spoiler tags would be appropriate indeed.
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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Denzera » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:22 pm

Added spoiler tags.

Yeah, this is dipping my toe in the water and trying to decide if I have the time to contribute meaningfully to the game's development. I've built a video game before (PC-based RTS), and used to code for a living, and though I know Java I've never been paid to write in it. Still, its syntax is very comforting to anyone used to PHP or C++ so it'd be a reasonable learning curve getting to know the codebase. This foray into the github repo was a nice learning exercise in that regard.

It's encouraging that my posts thus far have gotten some quick attention and replies, because if it weren't for that, one might think the forums were largely dead. If there's one thing I hate, though, it's seeing a beautiful project like this remain incomplete. Us RPG gamers can be real completionists. :) On the other hand, 3 years since a major release of new content is a bit of a bummer to see. You never want to be the only guy who's putting time in (right Zukero?)

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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Nut » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:10 pm

hi denzera,
I like your info too!

one thing...
these are spoiler tags,
you get this with "full editor"
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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Denzera » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:26 am

Glad it's helpful.

I kinda figured if someone clicked on a thread whose title included [Spoilers Ahoy!], they pretty much know what to expect.

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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Usirim » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:20 pm

First:
This list is a real good summary and should be included in the "beginners guide to AT" ;) ;)

I have to add a comment:
As far as I understand "pound sand", you' re telling that single weapon profiencies affects only the weapon in the main hand and not the weapon in the off-hand even the char has dual wield skills.
Assuming I didn't misunderstood, I have to disagree: If a char has both fighting style: dual wield on level 2 and specialization: dual wield both weapons benefits from single handed weapon prof.
An example: flagstones pride increases my AC by 60% (463% AC instead of 404%).
I did some calculation: a dual wielder char with AC 188, single handed sword 3, gets from the first bss (AC 32) +60 (=248), and with 2 bss AC 340. (188+60+60+32).
Guess, without specialization: dual wield the +32 won't apply and honestly: it doesn't really matters.
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ElyR: 9
RoL: 6
ChaR: 9
GoLF: 2
ShaF: 7
SRoV: 15
VSH: 7
WMC: 12
GoW: 6

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HP: 994
AC: 280
AD: 89
max AP: 10 (12)
BC: 180%
DR: 0
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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Denzera » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:18 pm

You are correct as far as the "Fighting Style" and "Specialization" skills go. You can see it in the operating code under method "applySkillEffectsFromFightingStyles".

However, this is not the case for Proficiency skills (those acquired from the NPCs I'm discussing here). You can see that in the same code, in the method "applySkillEffectsFromItemProficiencies". Arguably, this is a bug, but it's still the case.

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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Urbain » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:14 pm

This is amazing information! Thanks for doing all that work; it will be helpful for distributing my next skill points :)
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Re: Charwood Quest Rewards: Fayvara & Falothen [Spoilers Ahoy]

Post by Duvalon » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:19 pm

I think the off hand bug is not so simple. I have level 2 dual wield, no specialization, and a single level of one handed swords. If I equip flagstone pride in the main hand I go from 193 AC to 220 (+27 vs the sword's +21). If I then equip balanced steel sword in the off hand I get 261 AC (+41 vs +32). So it seems like I'm getting +30% for each.

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