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Condition question.

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Chaotic grip (amongst others) gives a -1 DR, possibly as much as X 7, resulting in a minus figure in a players stats if their starting point is less than 7.

Is there a difference to damage caused when DR is a minus figure compared to 0 DR?

Just to be clear, if DR is 4 and you're hit for 4 the damage is 0. If DR is -2 and you're hit for 4 is the damage -4 or -6, (or even something else)?
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Re: Condition question.

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Without checking the code (or waiting for Zukero to weigh in on this) I can't be sure, but I would be surprised if your DR could ever go negative.
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HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
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Re: Condition question.

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I'm surprised too but quickly looking at the code, it looks like you can have a negative Dr resulting in a - 6 damage in your example.
Lvl: 78, XP: 8622632, Gold: 271542, RoLS: 1, ElyR: -, RoL: -, ChaR: 1, GoLF: 1, ShaF: 1, SRoV: 1, VSH: 1, WMC: 1, GoW: 1
HP: 71, AC: 301%, AD: 38-47, AP: 3, ECC: 50%, CM: 3.75, BC: 101%, DR: 2
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Re: Condition question.

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rijackson741 wrote: Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:43 pm Without checking the code (or waiting for Zukero to weigh in on this) I can't be sure, but I would be surprised if your DR could ever go negative.
It definitely goes negative if it's starting figure is less than the effect of the condition: in the same way as Crits are shown as low as -50 with BW gear equipped.
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Re: Condition question.

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Zukero wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:58 am I'm surprised too but quickly looking at the code, it looks like you can have a negative Dr resulting in a - 6 damage in your example.
How do you get -6 damage? Surely it's +6 damage. Final_damage=damage-DR, so if DR is negative, it adds to the damage.

Whatever, I'm not sure this is desirable
Level:71, XP:6493739, PV:608, FQ:84
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
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HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: Condition question.

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rijackson741 wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:44 am
Zukero wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:58 am I'm surprised too but quickly looking at the code, it looks like you can have a negative Dr resulting in a - 6 damage in your example.
How do you get -6 damage? Surely it's +6 damage. Final_damage=damage-DR, so if DR is negative, it adds to the damage.

Whatever, I'm not sure this is desirable
I'd have to say that technically (mathematically?) you're probably correct, it is 6 damage, but I understood Zukero to be saying that a hit for 4 with -2DR is -6 hit points. Same result in the end, it still hurts just as much. :cry:
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Re: Condition question.

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Oh. I see. +6 damage = -6 HP.

I still think it's undesirable. A "resistance" should not be able to go below zero.
Level:71, XP:6493739, PV:608, FQ:84
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: Condition question.

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I agree, other games are the same.
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Re: Condition question.

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Why shouldn't it go negative? That is part of what makes those iqhan chaos baddies so fun/tough to take on. It is also why I love the chaosreaper, which does chaotic grip x5. So, if I hit a baddie with only 1 DR, then I figure that gives me an automatic 4 more dmg.
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