no HP modification with off-hand weapon

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Usirim
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no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Usirim »

Hi,

neither the RoL nor the ShaF provedes Health point modification when equipped off-hand. HP always stays on same value.

Using ONLY off-hand weapon modifies HP.
BC modification works always fine, AD and AC mod too.
I don't know if its planned this way, using 2RoL provides 2x HP mod on hit or kill (I ♡ this btw).
Actor conditions works for off-hand weapon too.

So HP mod is the only modification which won't work for off-hand when using 2 weapons and its with version 0.7.0 and 0.7.1a.z
Usirim (v2.2):
Lvl: 200
XP: 145.569.369
Gold: 5.8M
RoLS: 17
ElyR: 9
RoL: 6
ChaR: 9
GoLF: 2
ShaF: 7
SRoV: 15
VSH: 7
WMC: 12
GoW: 6

Base values
HP: 1000
AC: 280
AD: 90
max AP: 10 (12)
BC: 180%
DR: 0
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Antison »

I just verified this is a bug. Great catch. My dual wielding RoL is maxed out on both the one-handed and dual wielding skills, yet the HP boost from the second RoL is not applied.

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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Zukero »

Nice catch indeed ! I checked the code, and saw what we need to do to correct this.
Will submit a patch soon, unless someone elses does before me :)
Lvl: 78, XP: 8622632, Gold: 271542, RoLS: 1, ElyR: -, RoL: -, ChaR: 1, GoLF: 1, ShaF: 1, SRoV: 1, VSH: 1, WMC: 1, GoW: 1
HP: 71, AC: 301%, AD: 38-47, AP: 3, ECC: 50%, CM: 3.75, BC: 101%, DR: 2
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Fel »

This is a bug :shock: :shock: ???

Huh :? :?

I always thought it is the way it is, that off-hand weapon doesn't modify HP...
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by PK17 »

Fel wrote:This is a bug :shock: :shock: ???

Huh :? :?

I always thought it is the way it is, that off-hand weapon doesn't modify HP...

Yes, I thought we had this conversation before and were told it was supposed to be that way, sirt of how the criticals won't stack/combine.
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Duke »

I'm not understanding what you mean by hp modification. When I jyst used 2 RoL I got 5 hp back upon hitting my opponent.
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by r0tt3nj4ck »

Crit doesn't work in off hand either. I have both dual wield and specialization, and I do not get crit skill unless crit wep is on main, which means rol on off hand so no HP bonus.
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Zukero »

This has been discussed at yesterday's dev team meeting.
The lack of HP boost is acknowledged as a bug, and I am working on the fix.

I tested the "crits" situation just now, and noticed the following (with Dual-Wield level 2):
#1 - Having a critical-enabled weapon in the off-hand, while having nothing in the main gives the same stats as having the weapon in the main hand, and nothing in the off-hand.
#2 - Having a non-critical enabled weapon in the main hand, while having a critical-enabled weapon in the off-hand gives no access to critical hits.
#3 - Having two different critical-enabled weapons equipped gives you the multiplier of the weapon in the main hand, and the critical chance as the sum of both.

In my opinion, #1 is correct, #2 should give you the critical chance & multiplier of your offhand weapon, and #3 should give the highest multiplier of both, and the sum of both critical chances.
If you only have dual-wield lvl 1, it should work with critical multiplier & critical chance divided by 2.
With no level of dual-wield, you should get 25% of the critical multiplier & critical chance.

However, there are some special things happening with criticals, and I think it deserves a discussion with the team to identify the desired behavior.
Lvl: 78, XP: 8622632, Gold: 271542, RoLS: 1, ElyR: -, RoL: -, ChaR: 1, GoLF: 1, ShaF: 1, SRoV: 1, VSH: 1, WMC: 1, GoW: 1
HP: 71, AC: 301%, AD: 38-47, AP: 3, ECC: 50%, CM: 3.75, BC: 101%, DR: 2
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Usirim »

@Duke:
with HP mod I mean that when using the Rapier of Lifesteeling with off-hand it doesn't add 5 points to your Health points, as it do when you use it with main hand.
Hope this time I manage to give the description without misleadings and apologize for the irritation. ;)
Usirim (v2.2):
Lvl: 200
XP: 145.569.369
Gold: 5.8M
RoLS: 17
ElyR: 9
RoL: 6
ChaR: 9
GoLF: 2
ShaF: 7
SRoV: 15
VSH: 7
WMC: 12
GoW: 6

Base values
HP: 1000
AC: 280
AD: 90
max AP: 10 (12)
BC: 180%
DR: 0
(Jun 2017)
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Re: no HP modification with off-hand weapon

Post by Zukero »

@Usirim : don't worry, we understood that right. Fix implemented, just got to push it to version control for approval by Oskar.
Lvl: 78, XP: 8622632, Gold: 271542, RoLS: 1, ElyR: -, RoL: -, ChaR: 1, GoLF: 1, ShaF: 1, SRoV: 1, VSH: 1, WMC: 1, GoW: 1
HP: 71, AC: 301%, AD: 38-47, AP: 3, ECC: 50%, CM: 3.75, BC: 101%, DR: 2
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