Reset skills with Oegyth Crystals?

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Reset skills with Oegyth Crystals?

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An idea just popped into my head: Would it be possible to add a feature where one can reset the character skills (instead of starting over completely in order to re-spec. when not having considered multiple save files) using Oegyth Crystals?

My suggestion is to add a Wizard or Alchemist in a coming city (or somewhere in the wilderness) who, after finishing some quest for him to become friends, gives the option to reset your skills (limited to either one (1) or two (2) times).
Or even unlocking a second set of skills? (Which, of course, would be much, much more expensive!)

I understand, however, that the second would probably require more difficult coding (but I wouldn't know, since I'm not adept in the subject).
After all, I'm just throwing the idea out there for you guys to consider.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Reset skills with Oegyth Crystals?

Post by Duke »

this is a much talked about topic. here is another thread with some good points as to why it may never become reality. exploiting Magic Finder to get Legendary Items being first and foremost it appears.

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Oh, I suppose I didn't search thoroughly enough.
I've read through the topic and understand that it would be very unbalanced in such a case where one could do it multiple times, but say you happened choose the wrong skill and save and later notice the error (and say you're at such a high level where restarting seems an awfully tedious option), a function that at least once allows you to reset (if only able to do it once, there is little possibility to take too much advantage of the function) would be very appreciated. As for the Oegyth payment; it is a limited currency that you can use for all sorts of things, so choosing to reset will make you forefeit other valuable functions of the game.
I don't see it as unbalancing the game to any major extent.

(Feel free to merge this with the other topic.)
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hmm.. but it may be possible that you can get One skill reseted, that is, if you regret choosing magic finder you can reset that but then also it will become a way to abuse the game mechanism. for example, if you invested two points in IF then your hp suerly rises but if you chose to reset that then you will have two points and increased hp. so in a long term it can bring disbalance to the game.

edit: it is also the case with MF and the skills that requires other skills to be chosen first.

oh! sorry duke, didn't read the thread where your link pointed.
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Re: Reset skills with Oegyth Crystals?

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Yeah, resetting only one skill would be a better option, instead of all the gathered skill points.
Being able to apply one tactic would hardly unbalance the game too noticably, though.
Sure you could reset a hoarded skill (QL, MF or IF etc.) But you would still, after all, have to live with that decision afterwards and have to build a tactic up to that moment.

I still think it would work well with the overall balance, but I support Ace's suggestion that resetting one skill would suffice. We already get to buy new skills with Oegyth Crystals, after all.
Resetting one skill in the same manner would not tear asunder the structure of the game.

Edit: One could make a cap of MAX 3-5 skill point being removed from any selected skill.
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RoLS 2, ElyR 1, RoL 2, ChaR 1, GoLF 1, ShaF 1, SRoV 1, VSH 1, WMC 1, GoW 3

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Re: Reset skills with Oegyth Crystals?

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Well, similar points have been addressed in the past, always with the same answer: no.
One of the main driving points behind AT's game design is that you can make choices, but these choices matters, and they stick around you.
The saved game management is flexible enough to let you try different ways, but you have to plan it yourself. The game won't help you.
Resetting quest progress or skill/levelup points assignation will most certainly never be part of the game.
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Then I rest my case, but stand by my point that it would be beneficial for players' continued interest in the game.
I'm hooked already and satisfied with the concept, but to reach a greater dedicated audience some changes are bound to be made even foundationally.
Conceptual pride will eventually result in a loss of likability.

The majority of gamers lack the patience and dedication to conform to the harsh structure.
Inputing a few "relievers" would go a long way, as long as they are kept within frame.
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and another idea is that after the final ending of the game the player can restart with 10 or less skill points and 50% of the inventory items. that way players demand and a reason to play again can be met and fulfilled easily.
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When we get to some "end game", I'd be glad to add some kind of "new game +" feature. Like, restart at level one, in Mikhail's cabin, but keeping all your skills and inventory :D
When that "when" will be however... I have no idea. :D
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Re: Reset skills with Oegyth Crystals?

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Zukero wrote:When we get to some "end game", I'd be glad to add some kind of "new game +" feature. Like, restart at level one, in Mikhail's cabin, but keeping all your skills and inventory :D
When that "when" will be however... I have no idea. :D
then this problem is solved, of course in future :D.
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