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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by Zukero » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:36 pm

Two things:
- Some existing chasing enemies will track you down on the whole map (some late-game bats for example)
- We could make some enemies immune to ranged attacks. I'd even say this could be the default.

I realize that both of these seem to imply that I want to integrate ranged weapons in AT, but really, so far, I don't.
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by Tomcat » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:42 pm

Zukero wrote:Two things:
- Some existing chasing enemies will track you down on the whole map (some late-game bats for example)
- We could make some enemies immune to ranged attacks. I'd even say this could be the default.

I realize that both of these seem to imply that I want to integrate ranged weapons in AT, but really, so far, I don't.
Are the bats given whole-map spawn areas, or does the code allow them to move more freely?
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by nyktos » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:39 am

i think i speak for everyone when i say "we just don't have time for this." [yet]

we want an update to happen soon,
this is something that can't happen until we make more progress.

even if it is something we want, it's a novel idea...
but making it work nicely is a process.

it would make the whole game feel strange.
let's get it working properly first?
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by rijackson741 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:19 pm

nyktos wrote:let's get it working properly first?
Thumbs up to that :)
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by twirlimp » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:06 am

Tomcat wrote: You could add a monster attribute, similar to whether they move to mob you during combat, whether they are liable to flee.
You could set a threshold of remaining HP percent, at which point they try to run away.


This is exactly what was done in this experiment, and there's also an attribute for their vision range, so if attacked from too far away they'd also flee.
Tomcat wrote: A nice twist could be that inflicting the actor condition Fear could cause such a monster to flee automatically, also, regardless of HP.
This can definitely be done, since I added a monster attribute for "scaredy monsters" that flee when attacked.
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by twirlimp » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:09 am

rijackson741 wrote:
Voom wrote:I would love to see it in the first AT,
Ranged weapons, or fleeing monsters?
Ranged weapons would fundamentally change the game. Every map currently has safe places to stand. In some maps they are only where you switch maps. but in other maps there are more such places. Ranged weapons would allow you to stand in such places and kill anything that came into range with complete impunity. That's why twirlimp made it so that monsters can chase you. However, that applies to all attacks, which makes fleeing impossible (unless you manage to flee to another map). I am against any change that would so fundamentally change combat, and thereby possibly nerf a lot of players builds.
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That's the main reason why I dropped the experiment after adding continuous nerfs to it (such as monsters fleeing if you are more than X tiles away when you attack them).
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by twirlimp » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:11 am

Zukero wrote:Two things:
- Some existing chasing enemies will track you down on the whole map (some late-game bats for example)
- We could make some enemies immune to ranged attacks. I'd even say this could be the default.

I realize that both of these seem to imply that I want to integrate ranged weapons in AT, but really, so far, I don't.
Yup this a known bug and also happens in the starting town's forest bees.
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by rijackson741 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:13 pm

twirlimp wrote:
Zukero wrote:Some existing chasing enemies will track you down on the whole map (some late-game bats for example)
Yup this a known bug and also happens in the starting town's forest bees.
Maybe I misunderstand, but the bats chasing you is not a bug, it's by design. You can set the monster movement type.

Which forest bees do you mean? Do you mean the forest wasps? They shouldn't chase you, because they have no specific movement type.
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by twirlimp » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:59 pm

rijackson741 wrote:
twirlimp wrote:
Zukero wrote:Some existing chasing enemies will track you down on the whole map (some late-game bats for example)
Yup this a known bug and also happens in the starting town's forest bees.
Maybe I misunderstand, but the bats chasing you is not a bug, it's by design. You can set the monster movement type.

Which forest bees do you mean? Do you mean the forest wasps? They shouldn't chase you, because they have no specific movement type.
It's a bug present in my own "experiment" -- that's what Zukero was referring to in his post :P

The monster chasing/fleeing behaviour introduced some bugs of its own, which is what he was pointing out.
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Re: Github Fork: Ranged Weapons, Monsters follow player and/or flee.

Post by rijackson741 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:44 pm

So I did misunderstand :lol:
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