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New Items

Post by Kashim » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:59 pm

Just wondering if anyone else has found any of the new items super useful. I noticed that the robe of the sublimate is rather broken against certain enemies:
Maonit Trolls, Arulirs, Cave trolls
and knowing that sometime in the future we may be getting
Arulir Mountain
, I am concerned that it would make the area too easy.
Why is it broken?
The effect has a 20% chance to fire for 2 rounds. With a QSD and a JoF, even a level 1 char can get 5 swings/turn. Those enemies have no real block chance, so just about everything hits. Those monsters also have only 5 AP, and one attack costs 5 AP, so the -1 leaves them completely unable to attack.
While making my run for the new legendary, my level 1 char was going through them hitting for only 4-8 net damage, and only about 150 total AC, but the effect locked them down so spectacularly that he often killed them without even being swung at.
Calculating out the chances, assuming all hits, the troll only has a 10% chance of having 10 consecutive failures to apply the status. So on average, the player gets to swing about 100 times to one counter-swing. Go up to 12AP, and it becomes 7%.
Has anyone else found anything like this? I think these monsters should be changed to have 9AP so that this can't happen to them from other future things either, or change it so that is a player or monster is completely unable to act during their turn, 50% of their AP is banked for their next turn or something, though obviously this would take a lot more work.
I have too many characters to list them, so I'll just list my most important:
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Lvl: 1 XP:56034
L&E: RoLS: 2 ElyR: 1 RoL: 2 BD: 1

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Re: New Items

Post by Zukero » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:01 pm

Kayla's items were meant to open new strategies, but to be honest, I counted on the community to come up with these clever possibilities. I didn't (nor did I wanted to).

That's a nice find anyway.

If it turns out to be too overpowered, we'll obviously have to nerf it sometime.
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HP: 71, AC: 301%, AD: 38-47, AP: 3, ECC: 50%, CM: 3.75, BC: 101%, DR: 2

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Re: New Items

Post by JonLin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:32 am

Haven't tried the robe. But the feline gloves and boots rock.
Level149 AC 390 AD 105-125 BC 185 DR 3 QL 18 IC 3 MF 2 Fighting Style: Dual Wield
RoLS 2 RoL 2 ElyR 2 ChaR 1 GoLF 2 ShaF 4 SRoV 2 VSH 2 WMC 2 GoW 4 HoF 1 BD 1 BoG 1

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Re: New Items

Post by Kashim » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:06 am

I love the feline gloves and boots for opening up the "unarmored" specialization. I will also say that I think the guynmart shield is solidly better than the BD for any practical purposes. I still haven't gotten around to getting my "use an item" AP cost down to -1 (robe of sublimate +feline gloves +potion of deftness +lodars potion of haste) to see if I can drink milk to restore AP for an infinite turn. Oh, and getting the runaway cost down to 2? Works really well with evasion skill maxed for areas like the hirathils.
Those are my thoughts so far.
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Re: New Items

Post by rijackson741 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:31 pm

You are a very technical player. Like me :D . Most players do not analyze the options so carefully.

There are 36 monsters with AP equal to attack cost. They will all have their attack cost reduced by 1, which will change nothing except that you will not be able to use the robe to freeze them. Thanks for pointing this out.
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HP:220, AC:247, AD:46-58, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1

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Re: New Items

Post by Zukero » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:03 pm

You cannot have a negative cost. It can be zero, but not negative.
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Re: New Items

Post by Antison » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:22 pm

rijackson741 wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:31 pm
You are a very technical player. Like me :D . Most players do not analyze the options so carefully.
I most certainly am. In fact, I've barely touched AT in 3 years, but I still have all my strategy notes and plans for 8 of my 9 heroes (Tek is too overpowered to care about strategy).

I too am considering creating a new hero for these feline items. I'm thinking "Spirit" as that was my cat who just passed away last month name.

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Lv  AP   HP  AC  AD    BC DR CHS CM ECC
134 3/12 215 285 65-75 201 9
58  4/14 131 241 30-43 186 3
52  3/12 150 261 33-42 81  4 59  3.0 29
52  4/12 163 334 30-47 77  3
52  3/12 111 333 40-48 195 1
49  6/12 131 263 35-80 107 3
50  2/12 130 260 36-45 126 6

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Re: New Items

Post by Antison » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:25 pm

Antison wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:22 pm
rijackson741 wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:31 pm
You are a very technical player. Like me :D . Most players do not analyze the options so carefully.

I too am considering creating a new hero for these feline items. I'm thinking "Spirit" as that was my cat who just passed away last month name.
Level 21, got the Robe of Sublimate, Feline Gloves, Feline Shoes.
First 10 level-ups went to AD, then the next 10 went to AC, next 9 will go to BC.
It's really nice having item use at 3 AP!!
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Lv  AP   HP  AC  AD    BC DR CHS CM ECC
134 3/12 215 285 65-75 201 9
58  4/14 131 241 30-43 186 3
52  3/12 150 261 33-42 81  4 59  3.0 29
52  4/12 163 334 30-47 77  3
52  3/12 111 333 40-48 195 1
49  6/12 131 263 35-80 107 3
50  2/12 130 260 36-45 126 6

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Re: New Items

Post by rijackson741 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:12 pm

Yeah. Especially with attack cost also at 3. If you get beaten up you can quaff a healing potion, and still get two or three (depending on CS) strikes.

You are playing with the spiked buckler? I didn't expect anyone to actually use that.
Level:68, XP:5672461, PV:497, FQ:62
HP:220, AC:247, AD:46-58, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1

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Re: New Items

Post by Antison » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:10 am

rijackson741 wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:12 pm
You are playing with the spiked buckler? I didn't expect anyone to actually use that.
yeah. Why not. It is a decent shield for the places that I'm at. Plus, it looks cool.

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Lv  AP   HP  AC  AD    BC DR CHS CM ECC
134 3/12 215 285 65-75 201 9
58  4/14 131 241 30-43 186 3
52  3/12 150 261 33-42 81  4 59  3.0 29
52  4/12 163 334 30-47 77  3
52  3/12 111 333 40-48 195 1
49  6/12 131 263 35-80 107 3
50  2/12 130 260 36-45 126 6

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