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Special Weapons
 rijackson741
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Re: Special Weapons
Level:68, XP:5672461, PV:497, FQ:62
HP:220, AC:247, AD:4658, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889  RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:220, AC:247, AD:4658, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889  RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
 Schmmiiirc
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 android_version: 6.0  Marshmallow
 Location: Under the moon
Re: Special Weapons
I'll put one in my Xmas Cracker.
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 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:31 pm
 android_version: 8.1  Oreo
Re: Special Weapons
If you compare the Blackwater Sword (with the Blackwater Misery) and the Balanced Steel Sword, they are too similar. The damage is the same 37, and the Attack Cost AP 4. So with the Blackwater Misery penalty 50 Attack Chance, the Attack Chance cancels out to zero. Make some way (future quest) to remove or reduce the Blackwater curse so that it will be better than the Balanced Steel Sword. I think that would make the game more fun.
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 rijackson741
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 Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:04 am
 android_version: 9.0  Pie
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Re: Special Weapons
You can't compare just the sword to another sword. The Blackwater set is a set.
Level:68, XP:5672461, PV:497, FQ:62
HP:220, AC:247, AD:4658, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889  RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:220, AC:247, AD:4658, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889  RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1

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 Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:31 pm
 android_version: 8.1  Oreo
Re: Special Weapons
It's good you made it clear that they are a set. I didn't get that in the game. Thanks. I tried the sword and dagger together now as a set and they do work together. That Blackwater Misery with the big hit to the Attack Count (50) puts everybody off. Maybe it could be tweaked better.
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 Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:58 pm
 android_version: 4.4  Kitkat
Re: Special Weapons
It isn't just the dagger and sword that's the set.Mark Howard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:00 pmIt's good you made it clear that they are a set. I didn't get that in the game. Thanks. I tried the sword and dagger together now as a set and they do work together. That Blackwater Misery with the big hit to the Attack Count (50) puts everybody off. Maybe it could be tweaked better.
Vals  Lvl:54, XP:2877967, HP:132, AC:189%, AD:3135, ECC:31%, CM:4.5, BC:110%, DR:2, BM Pot used: 590, Most Kills: Str Maonit Trl:962
Gold:158,875  No extraordinary items
WA: 1, HH: 1, MC: 2, BC: 2, CS: 2, IF: 2, Re: 2, MF: 1, DP: 1, SP: 1
Gold:158,875  No extraordinary items
WA: 1, HH: 1, MC: 2, BC: 2, CS: 2, IF: 2, Re: 2, MF: 1, DP: 1, SP: 1
 Voom
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 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Re: Special Weapons
Im glad that this came up. Ive fiddled with the numbers and i believe the BWM set will need to be buffed substantially to compete with some other effective sets. 'Gladly', the misery penalty does not stack. The solutions that have been invented will help balance this set and make it viable. But it is unique and will stay that way, so its weaknesses will still exist but will only mean that it will still affect your level up choices the same way.
Voomster Lvl 23 HP 52 AC 173% AD 1752 ECC 20% CM 3.0 BC 61% DR 2 Build 2/3221/0
Voomboy Retired at 41 and is reading The Fey of Feygard
Voom Retired at 46 and took up translating
Voomboy Retired at 41 and is reading The Fey of Feygard
Voom Retired at 46 and took up translating
 rijackson741
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 Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2013 2:04 am
 android_version: 9.0  Pie
 Location: Somewhere in Dhayavar
Re: Special Weapons
In 0.7.2 you will be be able to get BWM boots and gloves (but not at BWM), and the ring has been improved. Hopefully I didn't overdo it, because if I did then I'll have to nerf the BWM items at some point in the future.
Level:68, XP:5672461, PV:497, FQ:62
HP:220, AC:247, AD:4658, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889  RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:220, AC:247, AD:4658, AP:3, ECC:23%, CM:3, BC:171, DR:3
Gold: 222889  RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: Special Weapons
I cant wait. I will be able to update my AvgDPS comparator.
Voomster Lvl 23 HP 52 AC 173% AD 1752 ECC 20% CM 3.0 BC 61% DR 2 Build 2/3221/0
Voomboy Retired at 41 and is reading The Fey of Feygard
Voom Retired at 46 and took up translating
Voomboy Retired at 41 and is reading The Fey of Feygard
Voom Retired at 46 and took up translating

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 Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:14 am
 android_version: 4.4  Kitkat
Re: Special Weapons
%Sad to hear, that the BWSet is going to be boosted this is actual the strongest noncritical item set for dual wielders.
Let's see the stats:
BW Dagger (2 of them):
Combined 80% Acc + 90% from dagger spec = 152% +40% from dual wielding stats = 192% 50% from bw misery = 142% bonus to acc only from two daggers
And it has a bonus to block from 23% with all specs, too.
This is not reachable from any other dagger combination.
Even BWSword is, dual wielded, far better then Balanced steel sword:
190% bonus to acc with BWMisery, 23% Bonus to BC and the same damage potential.
Armor and Leather cap provide so many BC with light armor spec, that you don't necessarily need to invest stats or skill points to bc to get a decent chance to dodge attacks against every enemy.
Let's see the stats:
BW Dagger (2 of them):
Combined 80% Acc + 90% from dagger spec = 152% +40% from dual wielding stats = 192% 50% from bw misery = 142% bonus to acc only from two daggers
And it has a bonus to block from 23% with all specs, too.
This is not reachable from any other dagger combination.
Even BWSword is, dual wielded, far better then Balanced steel sword:
190% bonus to acc with BWMisery, 23% Bonus to BC and the same damage potential.
Armor and Leather cap provide so many BC with light armor spec, that you don't necessarily need to invest stats or skill points to bc to get a decent chance to dodge attacks against every enemy.
lakra
Lvl: 76 XP: 7890637 AP: 12/3 HP: 249 AC: 394% AD: 5865 CHS: 29 BC: 140% DR: 3
Skills: WA: 1 Do: 1 MC: 1 CS: 2 CE: 1 IF: 5
Reg: 1 WP:Da: 3 WP:1S: 1 AP:L: 3 FS:DW: 2 S:DW: 1
RoLS: 1
Status Effects: SR
Lvl: 76 XP: 7890637 AP: 12/3 HP: 249 AC: 394% AD: 5865 CHS: 29 BC: 140% DR: 3
Skills: WA: 1 Do: 1 MC: 1 CS: 2 CE: 1 IF: 5
Reg: 1 WP:Da: 3 WP:1S: 1 AP:L: 3 FS:DW: 2 S:DW: 1
RoLS: 1
Status Effects: SR