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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by Zukero » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:01 am

Hello r4ndom, and welcome to the forums.

FYI, the F-Droid team rebuilds all apps themselves. It's a great feature from their part, but it also has two drawbacks:
- They don't use the optimized build process we have that shrinks the APK from ~20MB down to ~8MB.
- They re-sign every app with their own certificates, so you can't update from Google Play seamlessly. Game saves are compatible though.

I generally look for apps on F-Droid, and if their comments do not state that they removed non-free components from the app, I install the original from GPlay. If F-Droid cleaned up some non-free components, I go with the F-Droid one.

If you're interested in open-source software, and discovering the principles behind it, I'd also suggest reading about the difference between Open-Source and Free Software. This blog post by Richard Stallman gives some important insight. I'm very happy that Andor's Trail is Free Software, and not merely Open-Source.

If you have questions, or want to discuss this further, I'll be happy to reply to a dedicated thread.

Finally, you're welcome to contribute! We do like to receive some help. Read the contribution guide first. The main area where help is needed is content creation.
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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by Tomcat » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:02 am

Welcome, r4ndom! Please do contribute, the more, the merrier :) Have you read the contribution guide?
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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by r4ndom » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:02 am

Zukero wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:01 am
FYI, the F-Droid team rebuilds all apps themselves. It's a great feature from their part, but it also has two drawbacks:
- They don't use the optimized build process we have that shrinks the APK from ~20MB down to ~8MB.
- They re-sign every app with their own certificates, so you can't update from Google Play seamlessly. Game saves are compatible though.

I generally look for apps on F-Droid, and if their comments do not state that they removed non-free components from the app, I install the original from GPlay. If F-Droid cleaned up some non-free components, I go with the F-Droid one.
So there is no difference in the GPlay and F-Droid version besides the ~12MB, right?
Zukero wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:01 am
I'm very happy that Andor's Trail is Free Software, and not merely Open-Source.
I didn't check the license. Thanks pointing it out. That makes the game even more attractive :D
Zukero wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:01 am
Finally, you're welcome to contribute! We do like to receive some help. Read the contribution guide first. The main area where help is needed is content creation.
Tomcat wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:02 am
Welcome, r4ndom! Please do contribute, the more, the merrier :) Have you read the contribution guide?
I'm halfeway through with the contribution guide. I hope I will get the setup running as fast as possible :)
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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by rijackson741 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am

r4ndom wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:02 am
I hope I will get the setup running as fast as possible :)
What you need depends on what you wish to contribute. If you are a coder, then you obviously need Eclipse or Android Studio. But if you are a coder you know that :D . If you wish to create maps then at a minimum you need Tiled, but it's highly recommended that you use a combination of tiled and ATCS. For other content (items, quests, NPCs, etc) you need ATCS. If you wish to play through new content to test it you need either Eclipse or Android Studio, but you would not need them to get started.

If you need help, please ask.

Before starting a project it's a good idea to PM one of the dev team to let them know what your plans are. Creating something that conflicts with existing content or game structure is not satisfying for anyone ;)

Last tip: If you are planning to create content, start with something small. Big, complicated pieces of content look great on paper (and we need them, because there's a lot of the world still to fill up!), but they are hard to execute and therefore not a good way to learn.
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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by r4ndom » Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:35 pm

rijackson741 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
If you are a coder, then you obviously need Eclipse or Android Studio. But if you are a coder you know that :D
Sure? I'm currently just using vim and git. The more basic, the more I like it. Hence I'm trying to code without Eclipse or any IDE (besides Unix :P).
rijackson741 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
Before starting a project it's a good idea to PM one of the dev team to let them know what your plans are. Creating something that conflicts with existing content or game structure is not satisfying for anyone ;)
Is there a central "TODO"/"Current Work"-List one can look at and choose a task from?
rijackson741 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
If you are planning to create content, start with something small.
I already have something in mind, what really grinds my gears. What about "Small notification only if found a non basic item"? This would give me some insight into the code and maybe some more ideas while coding :)
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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by Zukero » Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:01 pm

r4ndom wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:35 pm
rijackson741 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
If you are a coder, then you obviously need Eclipse or Android Studio. But if you are a coder you know that :D
Sure? I'm currently just using vim and git. The more basic, the more I like it. Hence I'm trying to code without Eclipse or any IDE (besides Unix :P).
At least it's not emacs :lol:
For Java, I find an IDE helpful, especially to browse code. The AT codebase is a weird beast, so get ready to navigate a lot. The Android toolkit is mandatory though, and we have no build system or build script. All done with the IDE.
r4ndom wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:35 pm
rijackson741 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
Before starting a project it's a good idea to PM one of the dev team to let them know what your plans are. Creating something that conflicts with existing content or game structure is not satisfying for anyone ;)
Is there a central "TODO"/"Current Work"-List one can look at and choose a task from?
Not really. Depending on your favorite skill set, I have a few ideas, but no formalized Todo list.
r4ndom wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:35 pm
rijackson741 wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:23 am
If you are planning to create content, start with something small.
I already have something in mind, what really grinds my gears. What about "Small notification only if found a non basic item"? This would give me some insight into the code and maybe some more ideas while coding :)
Lol, it's a good idea, but someone beat you to it. There's a pending pull request on github for just this, that I have to review more thoroughly and test before merging, but at first sight, it looks good.
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Re: A welcome, to our Guests!

Post by Kashim » Wed May 31, 2017 8:09 pm

Zukero wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:01 pm
r4ndom wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:35 pm
I'm currently just using vim and git.
At least it's not emacs :lol:
*runs away from the impending apocalyptic flame war*

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