The Gleaming Claymore of Ruin, a two-handed sword with a -7 BC. With the two-handed sword proficiency skill increasing BC by 30% x 3 levels should get you a 2% gain. I.e. you should see a -5%. But instead, we gain nothing. Meanwhile all the players using a two-handed sword with positive BC gain more.
This needs to be fixed.
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Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
Yeah that does need to be adjusted, great find!
(At least it doesn't make the negative number bigger )
(At least it doesn't make the negative number bigger )
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
I still think this. "Just my opinion" now counts for more thoughrijackson741 wrote:I would expect proficiency in a weapon skill to not only increase the positive aspects of the weapon, but also to decrease the negative aspects. A dagger may be a poor blocking weapon, but I would expect proficiency in the weapon to make it less poor. Just my opinion though
At each level it's rounded down. So 30% * -7 = -2.1, rounded down and negated is 2. So I think 3 levels should give the weapon a BC of -1%. Regardless of the details though, we agree in principle.Antison wrote:The Gleaming Claymore of Ruin, a two-handed sword with a -7 BC. With the two-handed sword proficiency skill increasing BC by 30% x 3 levels should get you a 2% gain. I.e. you should see a -5%. But instead, we gain nothing. Meanwhile all the players using a two-handed sword with positive BC gain more.
Level:71, XP:6493739, PV:608, FQ:84
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
yes, Jackson, I messed up the math.
I seem to recall having this discussion with oskar during testing skills and he was 100% against making this change. It's just interesting that being away from playing for so long then coming back, things like this bother me more now than they did in the past.
I seem to recall having this discussion with oskar during testing skills and he was 100% against making this change. It's just interesting that being away from playing for so long then coming back, things like this bother me more now than they did in the past.
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
I guess my opinion differs greatly from Oskar's on this point. I feel quite strongly that this should be changed.
Level:71, XP:6493739, PV:608, FQ:84
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
I agree, Jax. But did Oskar give a reason for his not wanting to change it?
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
I don't recall.Lady Drager wrote:did Oskar give a reason for his not wanting to change it?
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
It will make a few weapons overpowered, in particular the QSD. That could be taken care of though.
Level:71, XP:6493739, PV:608, FQ:84
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
just wanted to chime in here & say that i agree with the proposed changes.
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[Lv: 60] [HP: 175] [AC: 361] [AD: 25-39] [BC: 75]
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Re: Weapon proficiency skill and negative base block chance
nooo not my QSD!!!!
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