I finally try to play an unarm/unarmor Hero with Way of the Monk skill. Thus, he is named Zen the Balanced
So, here's my take on it.
The game still lacks variety of cloth armors, so playing from lvl. 15 and forward is quite a challange because the AC/BC bonus from current items and Monk's skill sets cannot compare to an armed/armored Hero. This is especially true before I get Zen to lvl. 30, which provides him access to Way of the Monk L2 skill. This makes it less challanging from then on to kill in Blackwater Mountain.
I have to farm a lot of meats to trade for gold because Feline gloves and Feline boots are expensive, that is in addition to 2x Ring of the protector needed to boost BC of my Hero. Not to mention, Robe of the Sublimate is another expensive clothe, with which the actor condition bonus isn't that great (20% chance of Confusion with effects of AC -10, max AP -1).
So far, at level 30, here's what my Hero is wearing:
Head: Enhanced green hat (upgraded Fine green hat)
Torso: Robe of the Sublimate
Neck: Jewel of Fallhaven / Superior necklace of the protector
Rings: 2x Ring of the protector (sometimes switch one or both ring(s) to Polished ring of backstabbing and/or Villain's ring)
Hands: Feline gloves
Feet: Feline shoes
Current skills:
Dodge L2 (Targeting for Taunt skill, as well as more BC)
Combat Speed L2 (for maximum damage per round)
Increase Fortitude L1
Unarmed fighting L1
Unarmored fighting L1
Fighting style: Way of the Monk L2
Every bonuses from leveling up is added to damage.
Planning to farm for Silk robe of Valugha and Valugha's shimmering hat once Zen is able to take on Plaguestrider to see how effective these two items.
However, I see potential issues in higher levels (this is an educated guess) because the stats bonus from monk related skills are fixed number, while weapons and light/heavy armor skills are percentage number of the items. This means when better the items are available for higher levels, those armed and armored heroes will have better numbers compare to monks.
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When you go monking...
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Re: When you go monking...
That's how rpg's in the past treated the monks.
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Re: When you go monking...
There is no specific way rpgs have treated monks. It varies (a lot) by rpg.
Yes, being a monk is harder. When you can't wear most armor and can't use most weapons what do you expect?
Level:71, XP:6493739, PV:608, FQ:84
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
HP:210, AC:212, AD:58-77, AP:4, ECC:16%, CM:1.5, BC:188, DR:3
Gold: 237559 | RoLS:1, RoL:1, GoW:1, VSH:1, RoFLS:1, WoB:1
HH:1, WA:1, CS:2, Cl:1, IF:4, Ev:3, Re:2, WP:DA:1, WP:1S:1, WP:B:1, AP:L:1, FS:DW:2, S:DW:1
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Re: When you go monking...
What new cloth items do you suggest at what levels? Maybe reducing the level requirements for the skill could be an option. But being a monk should stay hard.
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Re: When you go monking...
I think I'm the beginning you should be able too.
(After the crossglen quest. As for items I say none is needed
I haven't tried that route yet though
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Re: When you go monking...
For the monk way to remain viable at higher levels, perhaps consider adding a "specialization" after the "fighting style", like for many weapon styles. And whether a percentage AC/BC boost at that point could be balanced so that the monk, though more difficult, can still do future higher level areas.
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Lvl:52 XP:2597576 AP:12 HP:124 AC:282 AD:30-42 CHS:27 CM:2.0 ECC:18% BC:132 DR:2
Skills: CS:2 IF:2 Ev:3 Rg:1 DgPro:1 1HPro:2 LtAPro:2 FS-DW:2 Sp-DW:1
Equip: FP BSS JoF RoP PRoB SrpHbk GoLF EnhCH EnhCB
Other: DotSP VD GoW FB TG RoD+6 Oegyth:6
Lvl:52 XP:2597576 AP:12 HP:124 AC:282 AD:30-42 CHS:27 CM:2.0 ECC:18% BC:132 DR:2
Skills: CS:2 IF:2 Ev:3 Rg:1 DgPro:1 1HPro:2 LtAPro:2 FS-DW:2 Sp-DW:1
Equip: FP BSS JoF RoP PRoB SrpHbk GoLF EnhCH EnhCB
Other: DotSP VD GoW FB TG RoD+6 Oegyth:6
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Re: When you go monking...
I was highlighting the attempt to separate monks from armored characters, just like sub-classes are introduced to further make them distinct from one another. Baldurs gate 2 is my favourite for this reason. Monk is fun to play in this game.rijackson741 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:32 pmThere is no specific way rpgs have treated monks. It varies (a lot) by rpg.
Yes, being a monk is harder. When you can't wear most armor and can't use most weapons what do you expect?
I think the best way forward for AT would be introducing lots of new equipments, potion varieties, and making more actor conditions accessible to different characters - monks would be best suited for building offensive damages using conditions beyond the melee attacks.
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Re: When you go monking...
A skill or specialization that gives conditions to monks could be fun.
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Re: When you go monking...
How about release the level requirements from 15,30,45 to 10,20,30? Will be more funny in the mid lv
Edit: requirements for way to a monk
Edit: requirements for way to a monk
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Re: When you go monking...
For unarmored skill, I think it should be similar to light/heavy armor, that is giving amount of AC based on percentage of the AC of items you are wearing, but also DR (increment of 0.5 or 1 maybe). Why DR? Martial artists develop resistance and can better handle any hits. They may have lower AC, but can withstand any blows better than non-monk.
Perhaps introduce gloves or brass knuckles that gives actor conditions, maybe with additional criticals, when using it unarmed. May be with a trade-of of +AP for Attack Cost.
Or, hand wraps/bands that makes monks faster (Attack Cost -1 AP), but also lower BC, because when you move very fast, you sort of ignore what hits you, as well as lower Damage Potential due to fast movement.