Hard hit, weapon accuracy and dodge unbalanced?

fiernaq · Post by **fiernaq** » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:19 pm

Tek, you know you're just dying to make a new character when 6.12 comes out

Post by **Pyrizzle** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:45 am

fiernaq wrote:Tek, you know you're just dying to make a new character when 6.12 comes out

I know i am.

I start a new build every time we start Alpha/Beta testing.

Post by **Sarumar** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:11 am

Pyrizzle wrote:
fiernaq wrote:Tek, you know you're just dying to make a new character when 6.12 comes out
I know i am.

I start a new build every time we start Alpha/Beta testing.

+1, me too

fmort · Post by **fmort** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:06 pm

I agree they are unbalanced, however I have a less complicated way of looking at it:
WA is equivalent to 2 2/5 levels
HH is equivalent to 1 level
Dodge is equivalent to 3 levels.

So if your going to use skill points to raise your base stats, the best one is Dodge, and use level ups for the rest. (unless your going heavy hitter!)

Post by **Mino** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:52 pm

fmort wrote:I agree they are unbalanced, however I have a less complicated way of looking at it:
WA is equivalent to 2 2/5 levels
HH is equivalent to 1 level
Dodge is equivalent to 3 levels.

So if your going to use skill points to raise your base stats, the best one is Dodge, and use level ups for the rest. (unless your going heavy hitter!)

For just leveling up, Hard Hit is the least valuable because you don't get any extra boost from the skill. Weapon Accuracy and Dodge are good because you can boost AC & BC and not have to grind as much if you just used the regular level ups. On my secondary game that I just use to try out different choices, I used both so I wouldn't have to grind as much for the same stats.

But Hard Hit and Weapon Accuracy are also requirements for Cleave, which I have found to be very helpful. So I think that's where the value of hard hit comes in.

Post by **Pyrizzle** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:28 pm

...still think they are pretty pointless unless you are getting them for a better skill...

Taunt requires 4 SPs in Dodge skill, I am not willing to waste 20 levels worth of gameplay (in total) to get the requirements and the Taunt skill.

My build in use right now: (Pyro Jr)
Lvl 2: Combat Speed
Lvl 2: Corpse Eater (YUM YUM)
Lvl 5: Increased Fortitude
Lvl 4: Evasion
Lvl 2: Regeneration

1 SP still unused,

They are pretty pointless IMO.

NewAgeOfPower · Post by **NewAgeOfPower** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:45 am

Pyrizzle wrote:...still think they are pretty pointless unless you are getting them for a better skill...

Taunt requires 4 SPs in Dodge skill, I am not willing to waste 20 levels worth of gameplay (in total) to get the requirements and the Taunt skill.

My build in use right now: (Pyro Jr)
Lvl 2: Combat Speed
Lvl 2: Corpse Eater (YUM YUM)
Lvl 5: Increased Fortitude
Lvl 4: Evasion
Lvl 2: Regeneration

1 SP still unused,

They are pretty pointless IMO.

Clearly, the solution is to double the amount of SP we have access to!

Post by **Pyrizzle** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:54 am

NewAgeOfPower wrote:Clearly, the solution is to double the amount of SP we have access to!

Not really, that would unbalance the game even more.

Post by **nyktos** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:57 am

i've submitted a pretty huge document,
it could possibly change the way that skills are implemented...

don't get too wrapped up in the details yet,
we still hafta work out the details!

basically, every four levels...
you get two types of skill points.

(and you get to spend them in two different categories)
[but, again - this is only conjecture & a mild attempt to share]

buddyCasino · Post by **buddyCasino** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:35 am

The benefit of using a skill is that the changes will be effective at once instead of having to wait for the single level ups.

What is the exact difference between base stats and actual stats? Are base stats only effective when it comes to evaluating if you can learn a skill?

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