Andor's Trail

Wyrmspawn wrote:I might agree to this from a player's perspective. However, from a more logical view... That's another story.

Let's say you have ten ap. Then let's say you have a four ap cost weapon. You can get in two swings per turn. The two extra ap points give you half a swing. From what Fire7051says, we should be able to swing thrice next turn. If you look at the numbers it would be so. But if you look at the situation without numbers, you get something else entirely.

U swing twice at the monster. As I swing my third time, almost connecting, the monster retaliates. I sidestep, spoiling the hit, or continue the swing only to get hit before my blow connects. As the monster aims another blow, I struggle to recover into a position more suitable for attacking, dodging, blocking, and weaving through the blows. Eventually, I retaliate, leaping back into an attacking position, and spoiling the monster's hit. The monster is pressed back into a defensive, and the assault goes on.

From the above situation, it is clear why ap from previous rounds should not carry into the next. The ap would be used to block and defend, and moving back into the position of the aggressor. Which is why, from a logical standpoint, Fire's argument does not stand.

Pyrizzle wrote:I feel as like it shouldn't roll over, if you are concerned about wasting AP than you should probably invest in a more efficient weapon that will use all your AP each turn.

use weapons that have an AP of: (with max Ap 12 in these examples)
2: for 6 swings (0 left over)
3: for 4 swings (0 left over)
4: for 3 swings (o left over)
5: for 2 swings (2 left over)
6: for 2 swings (0 left over)
7: for 1 swing (5 left over, enough for a potion or equip)
8: for 1 swing (4 left over)

Fire7051 wrote:

Pyrizzle wrote:I feel as like it shouldn't roll over, if you are concerned about wasting AP than you should probably invest in a more efficient weapon that will use all your AP each turn.

use weapons that have an AP of: (with max Ap 12 in these examples)
2: for 6 swings (0 left over)
3: for 4 swings (0 left over)
4: for 3 swings (o left over)
5: for 2 swings (2 left over)
6: for 2 swings (0 left over)
7: for 1 swing (5 left over, enough for a potion or equip)
8: for 1 swing (4 left over)

This right here is the problem. Basically I can only use weapons that fit into one of a few combinations of AP usage, if not then the weapon is worthless and should not be used. Shouldn't every weapon be useful, not just a handful? At 8AP cost the weapon has to kill any monster in one round maybe two at the most. However, they don't, anything that high still does not have the power, and even with Cleave it is still useless. So if these weapons are underpowered how can it be balanced out?

Mad P wrote:There's one thing I don't get about this discussion: I hear arguments against AP rollover because it would be too overpowered.

But why would it be overpowered? Some AP rolls over, sometimes allowing for that extra swing. Big deal.
Yes you will be able to save all of your AP and use the double amount the next turn. Why would anyone do that? Willingly accept the full monster retaliation first?

So I can't imagine why this would lead to unwanted situations.

I'm just not convinced it would be very logical to carry AP over...

Mino wrote: The saving up strategy can be prevented if you make it so using "end turn" resets your AP. As for the situations Pyrizzle listed, if you equip move cost reducing items you can try a hit and run strategy with some of those one-hit per turn heavy weapons.