Benefits of Cleave skill or the lack thereof

[Pyrizzle]

if you have evasion 3 and cleave (at least 2) in current version of AT... you can feel that youre invinsible ...

This is very true, i have tested it. =)

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[Mino]

I was just thinking that if I had the patience to get to level 4 of Cleave, I could use a heavy weapon like the skull crusher and get 2 more attacks per kill when fighting a mob. But that would mean 6 more skill points, and I'm not likely to settle on a heavy weapon as my "main" weapon, at most my main alternate weapon, so for the other times when I'm using a weapon with a smaller attack cost it would be overkill.

[Pyrizzle]

What I see is that cleave only fills AP up to your max AP, never any higher.

I tested with cleave lvl 3 & combat speed lvl 2
(gotta love those saves with no skill points used)

[Mino]

Oh right, I forgot about that. You're right, it wouldn't do much good then.

[Sarumar]

With cleave 4 you "just" got full AP after kill... IMO it is pretty nice

[Mad P]

With cleave 4 you "just" got full AP after kill... IMO it is pretty nice

Cleave 4 Pretty nice it is, but I think the 12(!) spent skilllevels would have helped Sarumar more if he had them invested in QL...

For most of us, poor players somewhere around level 60, a single level of cleave is just too much of a sacrifice.
For the current game version, cleave just doesn't make enough sense unless you really don't know what else to do with your skillpoints.

For the next version, it will be somewhere between "a little more useful" and "very useful".
I don't think it will be a must have skill: developers and testers will take care that the game supports different strategies.

I think that it is wise to not spend any skillpoints on cleave now, but collect some (6) without spending them yet.
And then we'll see if cleave really will be the gamechanger (I personally doubt it...)
If so, you can spend your points on cleave then. If not, you have given yourself a nice present

[Mino]

I actually have 6 stored up skill points that I'm saving for the next update, so I completely agree on that idea.

As far as Cleave goes, on all the games I started after the skills were introduced, I got Cleave pretty early on, usually starting with Weapon Accuracy at level 16, then getting Cleave by level 24. Since I waited until level 28 to get Combat Speed 1, so that the next skill could go straight to level 2, having Cleave (and the JoF and QSD) helped make the most of an odd numbered max AP of 11. I know that evasion is another way to go when fighting a mob, but I like being able to just attack them all in my first turn.

The hard hit skill doesn't really do much, but the 12% increase in AC doesn't hurt, as far as the requirements go. The level 2 is something I didn't get until I was past level 100, and that was just to try to get more use out of the heavy weapons, so I'll admit that among the people who get Cleave, one level is probably enough for most, if you're mainly using the QSD, BSS or DotSP - the extra attacks help out with the ECC too.

[Pyrizzle]

I think that it is wise to not spend any skillpoints on cleave now, but collect some (6) without spending them yet.
And then we'll see if cleave really will be the gamechanger (I personally doubt it...)
If so, you can spend your points on cleave then. If not, you have given yourself a nice present

Great advice Mad P!

My new main build has 6 SPs still unused at this time, i am saving them for when V7 comes out just in case. As i have said before (plz members dont bite my head off for this), the Cleave skill is ONLY useful for more than 1 NPC at a time, other than that it is completly useless. We will jsut have to wait and see when V7 comes out to figure out how useful Cleave becomes.

happy hunting everyone!

[Sarumar]

With cleave 4 you "just" got full AP after kill... IMO it is pretty nice

Cleave 4 Pretty nice it is, but I think the 12(!) spent skilllevels would have helped Sarumar more if he had them invested in QL...

For most of us, poor players somewhere around level 60, a single level of cleave is just too much of a sacrifice.
For the current game version, cleave just doesn't make enough sense unless you really don't know what else to do with your skillpoints.

For the next version, it will be somewhere between "a little more useful" and "very useful".
I don't think it will be a must have skill: developers and testers will take care that the game supports different strategies.

I think that it is wise to not spend any skillpoints on cleave now, but collect some (6) without spending them yet.
And then we'll see if cleave really will be the gamechanger (I personally doubt it...)
If so, you can spend your points on cleave then. If not, you have given yourself a nice present

I partially agree... but IMO SP spend in Weapon Accurary are not wasted and any build needs Cleave 1 or 2

btw. if you are intrested about your position on the highscore board
.. you got benefits if you have some evasion, critical and cleave -skills....with those you can kill faster and gain much more exp per hour spend....

[Pyrizzle]

btw. if you are intrested about your position on the highscore board
.. you got benefits if you have some evasion, critical and cleave -skills....with those you can kill faster and gain much more exp per hour spend....

I partly agree,

You do not have to use those skills to gain the mad amount of XP needed to get to crazy levels, but they do help.

If you are building your character with a strong AC and AD, aaaaand have enough HP to stand being hit every once and a while it doesn't matter if they hit you. Plus i still stand by my opinion that cleave is pointless more often than it is useful.

High AC, AD, HP, and a strong weapon is really all you need.

I've made it to lvl 81 without anything but Increased Fortitude, Combat speed, and Regeneration. At this point i still have no intention of spending my precious unused SPs on anything. =)

But that is just this lil Firebug's 2 cent opinion, take it or leave it.