AP Rollover

[Mino]

I agree with fire. Why punish someone who chooses to use a weapon that doesn't use all ap? To further balance the weapons I think this would be a good fix.
Otherwise, just delete the other weapons from the game because they are not as efficient and Therefor, useless.

Um...don't delete Gut Splitter or Skull Crusher, they should remain for their names alone. I've been using them more as my AD builds up and I can kill more things in one hit. Once it becomes a one-hit killer, Gut Splitter can also be used to attack mobs of 2 if you have level 1 of Cleave (and 2 Combat Speed and JoF). Even if it takes 2 hits to kill the first monster, you'll have 2 AP left over and the 3 from cleave to get a 3rd strike on the 2nd monster.

Skull Crusher was the reason I got level 2 of Cleave, so when I attack a mob I'd get an extra attack after each kill. I'm also working on more levels of More Criticals to land that more powerful hit more often.

[Fire7051]

Skull Crusher was the reason I got level 2 of Cleave, so when I attack a mob I'd get an extra attack after each kill. I'm also working on more levels of More Criticals to land that more powerful hit more often.

So the only use for these weapons is with cleave? So all of the prerequisites that are required for cleave has to be met just so that you can get in two swings? So you have to be surronded and you have to kill a mob for two hits?

It seems underpowered to me.

Sounds like in the perfect situation it is usable. If not it is worthless. Don't get me wrong I think Cleave is good in certain places like the spider cave and the iquan cave but in a normal situation AP rollover would be a better solution.

[Mino]

For skull crusher you get 2 attacks per turn, and its max AD is 26 so that alone is enough for most of the creatures in the game so far. The best way to get more out of it is increasing effective critical chance.

Maybe for weapons with an AD range there can be a ring or skill that increases the chance of getting the max amount per hit. I agree these weapons aren't the most useful, I just wouldn't go as far as calling them worthless.

[Pyrizzle]

Maybe for weapons with an AD range there can be a ring or skill that increases the chance of getting the max amount per hit...

Cool suggestion for a ring Mino. That would be a neat ring to have, especially for grinding in areas with NPCs that have high HP.

[Xero]

Worthless in the sense that one can simply argue "why would I want to use weapon A which swings and uses 7 or 8 ap or whatever...waste the remaining and not be nearly as effective as weapon B striking 5-6 times per round? Each point of attack multiplies by the number of attacks per round and is much more reliable than critical and multiplier. worthless in that sense.
Needs to be balanced better. Convert remaining ap to next round, impose a penalty when all ap is used for a round, change flat damage increase to a % increase for weapon speed (slow weapon more damage)

[Fire7051]

Worthless in the sense that one can simply argue "why would I want to use weapon A which swings and uses 7 or 8 ap or whatever...waste the remaining and not be nearly as effective as weapon B striking 5-6 times per round? Each point of attack multiplies by the number of attacks per round and is much more reliable than critical and multiplier. worthless in that sense.
Needs to be balanced better. Convert remaining ap to next round, impose a penalty when all ap is used for a round, change flat damage increase to a % increase for weapon speed (slow weapon more damage)

Even just adding something that can be done with the left over AP such as increase BC, AD, or AC would be nice maybe by 5% per point of AP leftover.

[PK17]

I do not know if someone already suggested it, but i like this idea.

Say you have a weapon that is 8 ap cost, and you currently have 10ap per turn (or 12 for that matter) the ap can only roll over to a maximum of double the ap cost. So if it is 8 ap cost the max a rollover can be is 16. If it is a 7ap cost weapon the rollover can only equal up to 14 ap. Same goes if the ap of a weapon is 2 and you have 11 total ap per turn you would have no rollover because the max would be 4. This keeps the advantage of the "rollover system" solely in the category of heavy weapons.

But while having a total 16 ap seems crazy. It would take 3 turns just to get it there so I think it is fairly balanced.

[Pyrizzle]

there are still ways to abuse it.

Lets say you are in a room and there are 2 NPCs, one lil rat and one big baddy, you could start the fight with the rat and keep skipping turns to build up AP then move into battle with the Big Baddy and have a huge AP bonus already.

As long as the 2 NPCs are close enough to each other you could use the one to gain ap to attack the other.

[PK17]

I suppose, I did not look at it that way. However, could it not be made so that for the "rollover" to take place you cannot have max ap? Also even if you are skipping turns to land on the "big baddy" that strong monster is still landing on you (causing you to use healing items) thus throwing off the pattern.

[Pyrizzle]

in this scenario you would move into combat with the Big NPC from being out of range. The smaller one wouldn't be powerful enough to cause any serious Heath concerns.

I do see what you are saying