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Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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I recall reading a comment elsewhere on the forums that healing items needed to be looked at, so I thought I'd do that myself. This one's way easier than the Enemy Comparison.

Name: The name of the item.
Source: Where you get it.
Type: As supplied by the game. Entries are color-coded based on this field.
Price: The price you pay to purchase the item. For Izthiel Claws, which are available as drops only, I just sold one to the store, then bought it back.
Min/Max/Avg Heal: Because of Izthiel Claws, I needed three values. The Average Heal value is used for all calculations.
HP/Gold: How many HP you get per Gold spent.
Gold/HP: How many Gold you pay for each HP regained.

THE SPREADSHEET!

The list is pretty consistent. Any items with identical heal values have the same cost, and the more an item heals, the more it costs. This makes sense, since an item that heals 40 HP is far more valuable in combat than an item that heals 1, but takes the same number of AP.

There are three exceptions: Izthiel Claws heal FAR more on average than comparably priced items. This makes sense, since they're a drop-only item, and have a random factor. Bonemeal Potions cost far less, but they are only available after completing a quest (albeit a very easy one).
If you keep the Types separate, then those are the only anomalies. However, if you mix the Types, Cooked Meat costs less per HP healed than a Regular Potion, but gives a bit more than twice the HP.

If you look at the bottom of the spreadsheet, there are two tabs: Current and Adjusted. Switching to Adjusted will show my recommended changes: Food, and Drink share a formula: 2 Gold per HP for 1 HP, increasing by 0.5 Gold per HP with each doubling. Under Edible Animal Parts, Meat is left slightly better price than it would have as Food - it should be 42-43 Gold by that formula).
Izthiel Claws are left unadjusted at 1 Gold.

Potions, except the Bonemeal Potion, have been adjusted to heal a little more than comparable foods, and cost a bit more, but have the same Gold/HP ratio as the foods that heal the next step lower (making them slightly more efficient). The Major Potion of Health has been reduced slightly in effectiveness, making it weaker than the Bonemeal Potion, but has had its cost reduced greatly as well. I don't know about anyone else, but at the current cost, I just will NOT buy the Major Potion. Over 8 Gold per HP is too much.
If this change is made, the Major Potion will no longer heal four times the regular, so the quest where you have to find the book, then bring the guy healing potions should be changed to "2 Regular or 1 Major" or "4 Minor, or 2 Regular, or one Major".

The Bonemeal Potion was adjusted up to a cost of 80. However, this makes it on par with the 1 hp healing items - still the most efficient healing by far.

In most cases, this increased prices slightly, though it dropped them for some items, plus added mathematical consistency.
Lvl: 25, XP: 274711, Gold: 13236, RoLS: 1, SR 97,
HP: 61, AC: 175%, AD: 20-31, ECC: 15%, CM: 2.0, BC: 55%, DR: 3
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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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another great post!

:D

note: when the next update comes,
food will heal over time & potions will instantly heal.

it isn't set in stone, but...
the food will cause an Actor Condition called "sustenance"

so - the better the food, the higher the magnitude & duration.
as for potions: they will remain as they are.

[subject to change - more info as it surfaces]

;)

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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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nyktos wrote:note: when the next update comes,
food will heal over time & potions will instantly heal.
I like that! I thought that food and potions needed to be somehow different, which is why I gave them slightly different values. But a HoT on food is a really cool idea!
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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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+1 Nice work, here is some more:
Minor vial of health +5 HP
Major flack of health +40 HP
Scaradon extract +5-10 HP, 32 gold
Blackwater brew +15 HP, 65 gold
Pear +4 HP, 14 gold
Bread +5 HP, 6 gold
Eggs +3 HP, 10 gold
Last edited by Sarumar on Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:50 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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Thanks. My phone doesn't like Google Docs, so I'll look at adding those later.
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Necrite wrote:Thanks. My phone doesn't like Google Docs, so I'll look at adding those later.
no prob ;)
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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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I never realized that you could eat Izthiel claws...
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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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Perhaps too much Blackwater brew should lead to coma and possible death.
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Re: Spreadsheet 2: Healing Boogaloo

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buddyCasino wrote:I never realized that you could eat Izthiel claws...
I only realized because I was switching a quick slot, and they were an option, so I checked their info to see what they did.
Lvl: 25, XP: 274711, Gold: 13236, RoLS: 1, SR 97,
HP: 61, AC: 175%, AD: 20-31, ECC: 15%, CM: 2.0, BC: 55%, DR: 3
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